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T O P I C R E V I E WGraham Although the above image is extracted from my own natal chart, I have posted it here only as an example of a chart that has both major and minor aspects involving personal planets (Mercury), generational planets (Jupiter), evolutionary planets (Uranus + Pluto) and the Angles.And my general/non-personal Astrology 2.0 board questions for forum members are ... which astrological indicator in this chart would you expect to be the dominant influence in the life of the chart owner, and why would you expect it to dominate?[From experience, I can tell you that Jupiter-opposite-Uranus has manifested as "a-credit-to-my-parents vs. a rebel-in-the-workplace".] implosionsI would probably say Uranus/Jupiter on the Angles, since Angular conjunctions tend to come across strongest from an outside perspective. Pluto and Mercury seem more like outlying powerhouse players, but the core structure is pretty visible.As an example, when taking in your comments online, I can definitely feel the Pluto in the 11th weight and presence, but there is a distinct Uranian quality to it that gives it a sort of lightness that Pluto on it's own doesn't usually have (even Pluto in a fire sign). And then Jupiter on the IC, although less noticeable in a projected way, does give an almost regal type of presence. (Maybe regal isn't the right word, but it is a very life-full presence).Another way to put it would be you seem very full of life force.Graham quote:Originally posted by implosions:I would probably say Uranus/Jupiter on the Angles, since Angular conjunctions tend to come across strongest from an outside perspective. Pluto and Mercury seem more like outlying powerhouse players, but the core structure is pretty visible.As an example, when taking in your comments online, I can definitely feel the Pluto in the 11th weight and presence, but there is a distinct Uranian quality to it that gives it a sort of lightness that Pluto on it's own doesn't usually have (even Pluto in a fire sign). And then Jupiter on the IC, although less noticeable in a projected way, does give an almost regal type of presence. (Maybe regal isn't the right word, but it is a very life-full presence).Another way to put it would be you seem very full of life force.Think of the angles as being windows through which we see and are seen by others, implosions ... Asc = strangers : MC = regular contacts outside the home : Dsc = those known well : IC = those whom we regard as family.Might your above MC/"outside perspective" differ if you were looking through each of the other 3 windows? ... (So - same indicators/same person, viewed from a different angle.)[Your analysis fits with how colleagues perceived me in the workplace. ... But, some would have replaced the word "regal" with "holier-than-thou".] GrahamCan anyone make a case for the strongest aspect being the one with the closest orb? ... Which is Mercury (ruler of ascendant + chart) sesquisquare Uranus (ruler of 5th house).Aries23DegreesInclude declinations.That can be a complete game changer on "dominance"In my chart longitudinally,Moon/Merc are dominant(on the angles).By by declinations,Uran and Nep are dominant(on the angles)🤷🏾♂️Graham quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Include declinations.That can be a complete game changer on "dominance"In my chart longitudinally,Moon/Merc are dominant(on the angles).By by declinations,Uran and Nep are dominant(on the angles)🤷🏾♂️Mercury 15S09 : Jupiter 23S23 : Uranus 23N39 : Pluto 23N06 ... Uranus parallel Pluto : Jupiter contra-parallel Uranus and Pluto. But ... what would you now expect to be the dominant influence? ... And, why would you expect it to dominate?Kannon McAfeeUranus, because it is both square the Asc and highest at the MC.------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectificationThe birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate. BeholdAstarteDef Uranus, it’s at the highest point in the chart, also super tight in orb, looks like about 10 seconds away. So jupiter would automatically also be very signicant as well since it so closely opposes on your IC Imo angles are some of the most important placements in a chart, kind of like an automatic and very obvious influence of planetary energy that can be seen in a person, physically and psychologically. Graham quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:Uranus, because it is both square the Asc and highest at the MC.Having now lived with this chart for 71 years, I can confirm that Uranus has indeed been the most influential planet in my life.But which of its three aspects to the other planets would you expect to be the strongest influence, Kannon? ... And why would you expect that?Graham quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:Def Uranus, it’s at the highest point in the chart, also super tight in orb, looks like about 10 seconds away. So jupiter would automatically also be very signicant as well since it so closely opposes on your IC Imo angles are some of the most important placements in a chart, kind of like an automatic and very obvious influence of planetary energy that can be seen in a person, physically and psychologically. From my 71 years of living with this chart, I can confirm that Uranus is the most influential planet - and that the two angular planets (Uranus + Jupiter) are the most visible.But which of the planet-to-planet aspects would you expect to be the dominant influence, BA? ... And why would you expect that? Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by Graham: Mercury 15S09 : Jupiter 23S23 : Uranus 23N39 : Pluto 23N06 ... Uranus parallel Pluto : Jupiter contra-parallel Uranus and Pluto. But ... what would you now expect to be the dominant influence? ... And, why would you expect it to dominate?Mc/Ic declinations?Graham quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Mc/Ic declinations?23N27 and 23S27Graham1) Uranus is 46deg49mins from Pluto ... semi-square, with both planets retrograde and parallel. ... Orb 1deg49mins, separating.2) Pluto is 88deg26mins from Mercury ... square. ... Orb 1deg34mins, applying.3) Jupiter is 178deg46mins from Uranus ... opposition, with planets contra-parallel. ... Orb 1deg14mins, separating.4) Mercury is 45deg59mins from Jupiter ... semi-square. ... Orb 0deg59mins, applying.5) Pluto is 134deg25mins from Jupiter ... sesquisqusre, with planets contra-parallel. ... Orb 0deg45mins, applying.6) Uranus is 135deg15mins from Mercury ... sesquisquare. ... Orb 0deg15mins, separating.7) Uranus is on, and parallel to, MC : Jupiter is on, and parallel to IC : Pluto is parallel to MC.8) John Addey proposed/recommended maxim orbs of 6 degrees for oppositions, 3 degrees for squares and 1deg30mins for the 8th Harmonic/semi-sextile/sesquisquare. ... 5 of these 6 aspects are within those orbs (with Pluto-Uranus being too wide), but my experience is that all of them have actually manifested as 8th Harmonic aspects* since birth.[ * 8th Harmonic = persisting with something beyond the point that others consider to be reasonable/worthwhile.] Graham quote:Originally posted by Graham:Can anyone make a case for the strongest aspect being the one with the closest orb? ... Which is Mercury (ruler of ascendant + chart) sesquisquare Uranus (ruler of 5th house).Anyone?[The case for Uranus being the most influential (and visible) planet has already been made. ... But which of its three aspects (to Pluto, Mercury and Jupiter) would you expect to be the dominant influence? And why would you expect that?]Does it matter that Jupiter and Pluto are in their fall signs? Or/and that Mercury is peregrine? GrahamIs it significant that Mercury rules three houses, but the others each rule only one? ... And does it matter that Mercury rules Uranus, and is ruled by Pluto?Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by Graham: 23N27 and 23S27It appears Uranus is parallel the Mc. Pluto too. But Uranus is closer.Jupiter is parallel the Ic. Tighter by contra-parallel aspect to the Mc than Uranus. Uranus/Jupiter appear to both be strong by longitudinal and declination aspects it appears. They are interlinked by the opposition aspect and so cannot be considered independently. Both dominate imo. Graham quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: It appears Uranus is parallel the Mc. Pluto too. But Uranus is closer.Jupiter is parallel the Ic. Tighter by contra-parallel aspect to the Mc than Uranus. Uranus/Jupiter appear to both be strong by longitudinal and declination aspects it appears. They are interlinked by the opposition aspect and so cannot be considered independently. Both dominate imo. So you would opt for Uranus-opposite-Jupiter as the dominant aspect? ... And because the two planets are themselves dominant? (With Jupiter in fall perhaps increasing the likelihood of it being misunderstood?)[For information ... the manifestation in my life of this Uranus-Jupiter opposition is best described as "a father who taught me as a child that 'good soldiers are able to follow orders which their stomach tells them are wrong' - and, as an adolescent, that 'good human beings are able to not follow orders which their conscience tells them are wrong'."]
Although the above image is extracted from my own natal chart, I have posted it here only as an example of a chart that has both major and minor aspects involving personal planets (Mercury), generational planets (Jupiter), evolutionary planets (Uranus + Pluto) and the Angles.
And my general/non-personal Astrology 2.0 board questions for forum members are ... which astrological indicator in this chart would you expect to be the dominant influence in the life of the chart owner, and why would you expect it to dominate?
[From experience, I can tell you that Jupiter-opposite-Uranus has manifested as "a-credit-to-my-parents vs. a rebel-in-the-workplace".]
As an example, when taking in your comments online, I can definitely feel the Pluto in the 11th weight and presence, but there is a distinct Uranian quality to it that gives it a sort of lightness that Pluto on it's own doesn't usually have (even Pluto in a fire sign). And then Jupiter on the IC, although less noticeable in a projected way, does give an almost regal type of presence. (Maybe regal isn't the right word, but it is a very life-full presence).
Another way to put it would be you seem very full of life force.
quote:Originally posted by implosions:I would probably say Uranus/Jupiter on the Angles, since Angular conjunctions tend to come across strongest from an outside perspective. Pluto and Mercury seem more like outlying powerhouse players, but the core structure is pretty visible.As an example, when taking in your comments online, I can definitely feel the Pluto in the 11th weight and presence, but there is a distinct Uranian quality to it that gives it a sort of lightness that Pluto on it's own doesn't usually have (even Pluto in a fire sign). And then Jupiter on the IC, although less noticeable in a projected way, does give an almost regal type of presence. (Maybe regal isn't the right word, but it is a very life-full presence).Another way to put it would be you seem very full of life force.
Think of the angles as being windows through which we see and are seen by others, implosions ... Asc = strangers : MC = regular contacts outside the home : Dsc = those known well : IC = those whom we regard as family.
Might your above MC/"outside perspective" differ if you were looking through each of the other 3 windows? ... (So - same indicators/same person, viewed from a different angle.)
[Your analysis fits with how colleagues perceived me in the workplace. ... But, some would have replaced the word "regal" with "holier-than-thou".]
In my chart longitudinally,Moon/Merc are dominant(on the angles).
By by declinations,Uran and Nep are dominant(on the angles)🤷🏾♂️
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Include declinations.That can be a complete game changer on "dominance"In my chart longitudinally,Moon/Merc are dominant(on the angles).By by declinations,Uran and Nep are dominant(on the angles)🤷🏾♂️
Mercury 15S09 : Jupiter 23S23 : Uranus 23N39 : Pluto 23N06 ... Uranus parallel Pluto : Jupiter contra-parallel Uranus and Pluto.
But ... what would you now expect to be the dominant influence? ... And, why would you expect it to dominate?
------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectification
The birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate.
Imo angles are some of the most important placements in a chart, kind of like an automatic and very obvious influence of planetary energy that can be seen in a person, physically and psychologically.
quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:Uranus, because it is both square the Asc and highest at the MC.
Having now lived with this chart for 71 years, I can confirm that Uranus has indeed been the most influential planet in my life.
But which of its three aspects to the other planets would you expect to be the strongest influence, Kannon? ... And why would you expect that?
quote:Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:Def Uranus, it’s at the highest point in the chart, also super tight in orb, looks like about 10 seconds away. So jupiter would automatically also be very signicant as well since it so closely opposes on your IC Imo angles are some of the most important placements in a chart, kind of like an automatic and very obvious influence of planetary energy that can be seen in a person, physically and psychologically.
But which of the planet-to-planet aspects would you expect to be the dominant influence, BA? ... And why would you expect that?
quote:Originally posted by Graham: Mercury 15S09 : Jupiter 23S23 : Uranus 23N39 : Pluto 23N06 ... Uranus parallel Pluto : Jupiter contra-parallel Uranus and Pluto. But ... what would you now expect to be the dominant influence? ... And, why would you expect it to dominate?
Mc/Ic declinations?
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Mc/Ic declinations?
23N27 and 23S27
2) Pluto is 88deg26mins from Mercury ... square. ... Orb 1deg34mins, applying.
3) Jupiter is 178deg46mins from Uranus ... opposition, with planets contra-parallel. ... Orb 1deg14mins, separating.
4) Mercury is 45deg59mins from Jupiter ... semi-square. ... Orb 0deg59mins, applying.
5) Pluto is 134deg25mins from Jupiter ... sesquisqusre, with planets contra-parallel. ... Orb 0deg45mins, applying.
6) Uranus is 135deg15mins from Mercury ... sesquisquare. ... Orb 0deg15mins, separating.
7) Uranus is on, and parallel to, MC : Jupiter is on, and parallel to IC : Pluto is parallel to MC.
8) John Addey proposed/recommended maxim orbs of 6 degrees for oppositions, 3 degrees for squares and 1deg30mins for the 8th Harmonic/semi-sextile/sesquisquare. ... 5 of these 6 aspects are within those orbs (with Pluto-Uranus being too wide), but my experience is that all of them have actually manifested as 8th Harmonic aspects* since birth.
[ * 8th Harmonic = persisting with something beyond the point that others consider to be reasonable/worthwhile.]
quote:Originally posted by Graham:Can anyone make a case for the strongest aspect being the one with the closest orb? ... Which is Mercury (ruler of ascendant + chart) sesquisquare Uranus (ruler of 5th house).
Anyone?
[The case for Uranus being the most influential (and visible) planet has already been made. ... But which of its three aspects (to Pluto, Mercury and Jupiter) would you expect to be the dominant influence? And why would you expect that?]
Does it matter that Jupiter and Pluto are in their fall signs? Or/and that Mercury is peregrine?
quote:Originally posted by Graham: 23N27 and 23S27
It appears Uranus is parallel the Mc. Pluto too. But Uranus is closer.
Jupiter is parallel the Ic. Tighter by contra-parallel aspect to the Mc than Uranus.
Uranus/Jupiter appear to both be strong by longitudinal and declination aspects it appears.
They are interlinked by the opposition aspect and so cannot be considered independently. Both dominate imo.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: It appears Uranus is parallel the Mc. Pluto too. But Uranus is closer.Jupiter is parallel the Ic. Tighter by contra-parallel aspect to the Mc than Uranus. Uranus/Jupiter appear to both be strong by longitudinal and declination aspects it appears. They are interlinked by the opposition aspect and so cannot be considered independently. Both dominate imo.
So you would opt for Uranus-opposite-Jupiter as the dominant aspect? ... And because the two planets are themselves dominant? (With Jupiter in fall perhaps increasing the likelihood of it being misunderstood?)
[For information ... the manifestation in my life of this Uranus-Jupiter opposition is best described as "a father who taught me as a child that 'good soldiers are able to follow orders which their stomach tells them are wrong' - and, as an adolescent, that 'good human beings are able to not follow orders which their conscience tells them are wrong'."]
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